As we mentioned here
, as part of our hiatus process, we wanted to offer a venue for input from members. We did take the time to first sort things out internally (within the maintainer team) and are feeling optimistic about our progress (will provide more specifics when we re-open).
But we also want to ask you -- What do you need from the maintainer team to make VP a safe and accountable space for you? How can we work to make that happen more readily, effectively, and consistently?
For the VP Team
Is anyone else having their comments screened in VP (perhaps because of the hiatus?), or is it just me?
This is a duplicate post of an annoucement that was just posted to VP.
I'm writing on behalf of the VP Team to let everyone know about the pretty big -- but temporary -- change mangofandango
At 8:00pm EDT on March 16, 2015 (that's about 24 hours from now), VP will temporarily become a moderated community and will not be accepting new entries. VP on LJ will remain closed through that same time on March 30, 2015. At that point, it'll be business as usual once again. Any entries submitted during our two-week LJ hiatus will be rejected (with a copy of this notice), and not posted.
We are taking this step to re-evaluate, re-assess and rejuvenate. The VP Team will be using this hiatus to discuss policy, to discuss focus, and to better equip ourselves to continue to make VP a safe and valuable space. In short, we're doing it because we care about VP.
Because we want our fabulous members to have a part in VP's "renovation," we encourage you to visit contact_vp
to leave us your honest and helpful feedback. A post will be available for your helpful comments on Saturday, March 28. Be advised, however, that although we plan to keep an eye on CVP, we don't plan to respond to non-urgent situation until after VP on LJ re-opens. We also encourage you to use CVP in the meantime to contact us regarding any comments on current entries that need our attention.
We care deeply about our members, and want you to know that we're taking this step to help you. It might seem scary, but remember that not all VP resources will be out of your reach! You can always make use of the links on the VP on LJ sidebar (accessed through the community main page), VP on LJ's tagged posts
, and our VP community on Dreamwidth
We thank you in advance for your understanding and assistance, and we look forward to re-opening the community on March 30th!
¡Vulva la revolución!
For the VP Team
Edit 3/16 -- Just confirming that VP is now set to moderation -- and will be closed to new entries for the next 2 weeks.
In the original comment, the commenter mentioned that if their MD says all is okay, that OP should be good. They also said, "Good luck! I'm jealous... wish I was having a good time to have a problem with! You go girl!"
I have experience with pelvic pain, including vaginal, and I wanted OP to know that MDs aren't always right, just because they're not trained in pelvic disorders and sexual pain. I also felt really dismissed by their comment on "having a good time to have a problem with." I let the commenter know that pelvic pain, including sexual pain, isn't ever a good time.
They responded defensively, saying their comment was for OP and that OPs pain is from having a new partner and trying new things. I don't really know if ya'll want to intervene yet, but I find it incredibly offensive that they think sexual pain is a good time just because someone has a new partner and is trying new things. It is absolutely not. It can be incredibly devastating, and it's really not okay they dismissed it in the first place and then dismissed it again when they were called out on it.
EDIT: more descriptive title.
I assume that there are one or more mods monitoring this post, but I wanted to ask about the appropriateness of the comments, which are starting to move from "We accept your situation here are some supportive and gentle suggestions" to "your relationship is unhealthy and you need to change it."
Is a comment like "My take on this is that your mom is, indeed, irrationally controlling and intrusive. You need some separation from her" crossing the line for VP? What about "You are an adult. You need to set some boundaries"?
These comments were exactly what I was thinking, but I wouldn't have written them down because it's not what the OP asked for and "shoulds" are generally discouraged in VP. What do you think?
This is just a quick heads-up to let you know that our main website
might be down overnight: we're transferring to new hosting/servers, and it can take a few hours for everything to update.
This is the first step in a serious website revamp: the contacts page doesn't have all our new SSMs, for instance, and we're well aware that our links section is pretty much a dinosaur! Over the next few weeks and months we're expecting to provide a series of posts requesting feedback on new content.
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As we can all tell, LiveJournal has been dying a slow death since things like Facebook and Reddit have become more popular. I held on to my LJ habit because of VaginaPagina.
I have decided that this page is no longer worth it. I received a SSR warning about my use of the phrase "itch like crazy" with the admonition that it might be offensive to those struggling with mental illness.
I believe in avoiding being intentionally offensive. No one should feel like they are being personally attacked.
However, this community has become so obsessed with protecting people's delicate feelings from accidental innocuous insults that it becomes nearly impossible to have authentic discourse. Having to scour one's post looking for possible slights against certain groups is a paranoia-inducing task. It makes it feel like it's not worthwhile to contribute.
So I am done. I liked to think that as a Women's Health RN I could add something of value to this community, but it's obvious that this is no longer a safe place for me to speak my mind.
Without VP, there's no point for me to continue monitoring LiveJournal. So, thank you for helping me cut ties without regret.
Hey! I received an SSR here
and, while I am sorry for my wording (I was writing while running out the door, pre-coffee; I just totally wasn't thinking) I do find it weird that SSRs include a request to "please edit your comment". As per LJ's formatting, comments automatically become un-editable once someone has replied, so the request to edit actually in and of itself prevents me from doing so.
Just thought it was worth pointing out. I replied to my original comment with an apology, but that's about all I can do.
Hey guys, I'm just a little confused about the rules using some words to post. I will post my answer here to a SSR I received in this post
Just fixed it.
I do understand to not write crazy for when it is related to people, but about situation isn't it kinda too much of a censorship? Even people who would get offended by the word crazy(including myself, who had been in a abusive relationship) will realize the word was not used towards a person, but a situation.
Just my two cents, but I do see the rules of the community and I fixed the post. And I will be more careful when writing from now on.
Like I said in my answer, I really didn't mean anything, but people can't be that sensitive to a word. Just my opinion. And sorry if this bother anyone, I just wanted to know about it, since I myself get insulted if someone calls me crazy, but I wouldn't get insulted if someone comments about a situation using the same word.
Just realised a post I have commented on is public. I don't want to delete my comments, I think they are helpful since I'm in correspondance via them with the poster, and it's helping me too... but I am terrified of the fact anyone can read.
What shall I do?
I suppose I can leave it for maybe a certain period of time and then delete, if there is no other option.
Is that alright? I know it's not ideal...
Because of changing lives and availabilities of current & former SSMs, we´re looking for a new cohort of 3-4 volunteers. This is your chance to nominate yourself or someone else to join the VP Team.
NOTE: We strongly encourage people of color, people with dis/abilities, trans* or genderqueer identified folks (especially transfeminine folks), queer-identified folks, non-U.S.A citizens, people living with HIV/AIDS, and people of faith to apply.
We will begin the first round of email interviews on
December 4, 2013 Extended! to December 15, 2013, so please let us know by then if you're interested.
JOB DESCRIPTION: VaginaPagina Safe Space Maintainer
Being a Safe Space Maintainer and part of the VP Team involves the following responsibilities:
• Read VP and contact_vp daily, with an eye for things that may need maintainer attention.
• Check the VP maintainer community periodically throughout the day and assist with action as needed.
• Check VP email daily and assist in responding to email (you will receive an email address @vaginapagina.com)
• Leave DSLRs, address misinformation in the community, draft and issue SSRs and ban or unban with consensus.
• Be willing to assist with VP's special projects as needed, such as the MMMMonday posts and the LRU.
A FEW BENEFITS OF BEING PART OF THE VP TEAM:
• Knowing that you're doing important, positive and life-changing work
• Filling an important roll by helping to educate people about sex in a society that's woefully inadequate at that
• Knowing that you're helping to empower people about their bodies, health and sexuality
• Having something really great to write on your CV/resume (seriously--VP maintainership has helped VP Teamsters acquire Actual Jobs)
• Learning new stuff all the time in an environment that fosters personal/communal growth
TO APPLY, YOU MUST:
• Have or be willing to create a LiveJournal account.
• Take this position as seriously as you would take any paid position.
• Be willing to dedicate approximately 5-10 hours a week (this can vary depending on what's going on) to community maintenance issues. Bonus points for people available during the daytime and/or in non-Eastern time zones.
• Be familiar and comfortable with how LiveJournal communities work.
• Have a great knowledge of social media (such as Facebook, tumblr, Twitter, etc) outside of LiveJournal.
• Have a strong proficiency in English spelling and grammar.
• Be pleasant but also sassy and passionate about VP-related topics. Be willing to work through consensus and as a team, but also able to take initiative in a pinch.
• Be committed to helping VP be an inclusive, anti-oppression space (extra points for people familiar with intersectionality). Be open to alternative perspectives outside of your normal mode of thinking. Along with that, know when to hold your ground and when to admit you've made a mistake.
• Be firmly committed to safe(r) space as it is defined in VP and be thoughtful about how to implement it as a maintainer.
• Be compassionate, honest, tough, fair and consistent.
• Be free of (or willing to let go of) other affiliations that conflict with VP's interests.
INTERESTED? GOT QUESTIONS? Yeah, we thought so. Send an email to us at firstname.lastname@example.org. There is a three-step online application and interview process; more information will be provided once email contact is established.
Feel free to leave questions or nominations in the comments to this post too! All comments on this post will be screened. If you would like to nominate a fellow VP member for mod-ship, please do! And we will contact them privately.
We hope to hear from several of you extra super superstars soon. Until then, please bear with us as we occasionally spam the community with this announcement.
Following our discussion last week
, we've incorporated your last few bits of feedback and we'll be rolling out the new-style SSRs from today. Thank you so much for all of your input and patience with us while we've been working through the process!
As ever, if you've got any questions or concerns please feel encouraged to get in touch with us either here in or by e-mail, on email@example.com!
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Is there a specific policy about comments stating or implying that female HCPs are preferable to male ones? Or is this covered under more general policy?
I see comments from time to time saying something like "you should see a female OB" that bother me, but then I wonder if I'm too close to the situation as a health care provider myself, who happens to be a female one. I know from both the patient and professional sides that there are great doctors, nurses, therapists and so on of many genders, and there are also abrupt and miserable ones of every gender. I also know that some people have a gender preference when they recieve certain kinds of care, or all kinds of care, and that these preferences should be respected whenever possible.
I would not be bothered by comments and suggestions such as "I prefer to see a female doctor," or "If you feel uncomfortable with a male provider, it's OK to ask for a female when you make the appointment" or questions like, "have you considered if you would rather see a female doctor?"
This was a recent comment that sparked my post, although it's really a bigger question than one comment: http://vaginapagina.livejournal.com/21812372.html
following the not-quite-so-recent discussion about SSRs
, we've put together a draft rewording of our existing template incorporating your suggestions - thanks so much for them. We are also intending to write a section for the wiki that explains in a little more detail what our aims our in leaving SSRs. For now, we'd love your feedback
- in comments, or in the poll at the bottom of this post
- specifically on the topic of SSR wording and this draft
. If you have other concerns, please as ever feel free to e-mail us! We'll leave discussion open for a week, and then we'll take our next steps based on what you think of what we've done so far, whether that's getting another draft to you for feedback or switching over to using this version. Thanks in advance for your feedback!( For comparison, here is the old version.Collapse )New version:
I'm writing as a VP maintainer to remind you about this community's safer space policies. By posting in VP, you have already agreed to follow the community rules, so if you haven't read them yet, please follow the provided links below and read them before participating further.
-- What are VP's rules?
-- What is "safe space"? What does "empowerment" mean? What does "accountability" look like?
We understand that mistakes happen -- but your comment [QUOTATION] is hurtful to some of our members. This is because [REASON].
[[[Would you mind editing your post/comment so that it does not include [PROBLEMATIC LANGUAGE HERE] to describe [WHATEVER]? This is because [REASONS] we mentioned above.]]]
We know that VP asks members to be much more aware and conscientious of their language than most other spaces, and we don't think that you meant to break the rules or hurt others with your comment. An SSR is simply a reminder for everyone about VP's safer space policies, and a way to educate all community members about how those policies apply to community interactions.
If you'd like to talk more - for example, if you don't understand why you received an SSR - your thoughts are welcome in contact_vp or privately via email (firstname.lastname@example.org). We have frozen this VP thread, so it will not draw attention away from the original post.
Thanks for understanding.
What do you think of the new SSR draft?
should be used with changes (please comment)
should not be used (keep the old version)
I have no opinion
other (please comment)